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ACRO E-mail Archive Thread: [Acro] RE: Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada


Thread: [Acro] RE: Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada

Message: [Acro] RE: Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada

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From: "Peter Ashwood-Smith"<petera at>

Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:30:26 UTC


Ahh, but across the river not 15 minutes away is Gatineau airport located in
friendly Quebec where aerobatics is not only tolerated but encouraged. Where
people show up at the airport to say they LIKE watching you fly over their
farm and the airport wants more aerobatics over its runway, hopefully many
of you will come and help us oblige at our contest this June 28,29th and



	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Max Braude [SMTP:skybird at]
	Sent:	Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:19 PM
	To:	Andrew Boyd; IAC Acro List
	Subject:	[Acro] RE: Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada

	Hell - a free trip  - to Ottawa - good grief!

	Not many other place I would rather not got to for free.....


	Max Braude
	skybird at

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Andrew Boyd [mailto:aboyd at]
	Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:44 PM
	To: skybird at; IAC Acro List
	Subject: Re: [Acro] Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada

	Continuing through the looking glass, with it's usual regard for
	the taxpayer's dollars, Transport Canada Aviation Enforcement
	is paying for a substantial number of American aerobatic
	pilots to travel to Ottawa to discuss this bizarre interpretation
	of the Canadian Aviation Regulations.

	aboyd at

	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Max Braude" <skybird at>
	To: "Andrew Boyd" <aboyd at>; "IAC Acro List" <acro at>
	Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:35 PM
	Subject: RE: [Acro] Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada

	> Lets give 3 cheers to the beaurocrats
	> Again
	> Max Braude
	> skybird at
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: Andrew Boyd [mailto:aboyd at]
	> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:04 PM
	> To: IAC Acro List
	> Cc: aboyd at
	> Subject: [Acro] Aerobatics Now Illegal In Canada
	> According to Canadian Aviation Regulation (CAR) 602.27(c) flight
	> visibility of 3 miles is required to perform an aerobatic maneuver
	> Canada.  Ok.
	> According to CAR 101.01(1) Flight Visibility is defined as "the
	> forward from the cockpit of an aircraft in flight".  Sure.
	> So far, so good.
	> However, I have in my possession a statement by a Transport Canada
	> (think Canadian FAA) Enforcement Supervisor that this 3 miles
	> visibility
	> out the front cockpit must be available DURING EVERY INSTANT of an
	> aerobatic maneuver.
	> Let's think about the implications of this for a moment.  If we
	> vertical aerobatic maneuver - say, a loop - at the minimum
	> specified
	> by CAR 602.27(d) - 2,000 AGL - then if our loop has a diameter of
	> then when we are 2,500 AGL we can reasonably expect to be
	> straight up.
	> At this instant, according to Transport Canada Enforcement, we
still need
	> 3 miles flight visibility.  This means no cloud ceiling less than
3 miles
	> 18,000 feet directly above us.
	> So, to perform a loop in Canada, you now need a cloud ceiling of
at least
	> 2,500 + 18,000 = 20,500 AGL.
	> Passing through the inverted, life is good.  We have 3 miles
	> visibility
	> horizontally.
	> However, things get sticky on the vertical downline of our nice
	> At 2,500 AGL we can logically be expected to be pointed straight
	> at the ground.
	> Oops.  Transport Canada Aviation Enforcement wants us to have 3
	> flight visibility at this instant, too, and we only have 2.500
feet (to
	> ground)
	> or less than 1/2 mile.  That's IFR, according to Transport Canada
	> Enforcement.
	> So, on the vertical downline, we need to have 18,000 feet between
us and
	> the ground.  This means that we must now commence a loop in Canada
	> no lower than 17,500 AGL.
	> Oops.  If we start a loop at 17,500 AGL we now need to have a
	> of no less than 36,000 AGL.
	> Of course, we will also need oxygen for the pilot, and a
turbocharger for
	> the
	> engine, and a waiver for the class A airspace that we will be in,
	> performing
	> aerobatics to keep Transport Canada Aviation Enforcement happy.
	> The above being perhaps theoretically possible, but practically
	> aerobatics - at least, aerobatics involving vertical lines - are
	> effectively
	> illegal in Canada, unless you wish to run afoul of Transport
	> Enforcement, which is really not a good idea.
	> Looking on the bright side, I guess you can still do a steep turn
	> than
	> 60 degrees of bank, though.
	> --
	> aboyd at   ATP
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