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ACRO E-mail Archive Thread: [Acro] Re: ICAS & Aerobatic Cometency Cards


Thread: [Acro] Re: ICAS & Aerobatic Cometency Cards

Message: [Acro] Re: ICAS & Aerobatic Cometency Cards

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From: John Cornwell <jwcornwell at>

Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:52:58 UTC


Although I haven't applied for a low-level waiver for some years now, my
recollection is that the total cost was a few hundred bucks, for which I
received a review of my routine and competency by an ACE who was a former
national champion, unlimited team member and veteral airshow performer.  In
addition to the competency evaluation, I received priceless wisdom and advice
from the ACE with respect to determining the safety and efficiency of a
particular routine including cornering speeds, energy management, altitude
considerations, and a whole bunch of other stuff that isn't in any books.  Try
getting any of that from the FAA at any price.

 leedom at wrote:
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Hi folks,
Just checking, am I the only one upset by these ICAS folks?
How is it that a non-government, for profit company, International Council of

Air Shows (ICAS), has a monopoly on aerobatic competency cards paper work? 
Two years ago they charged $50, last year it was raised to $90 and this year 
$200!!  Further more it take them less than 10 minutes* to enter the paper 
work and forward it to the FSDO who actually issues the 8710-7, "Statement of

Aerobatic Competency" card. However, unless you pay them an EXTRA $50 they 
will sit on the paper work for 30 days before forwarding it to the FSDO. 
There is no other way to get a card (which is required to perform in any 
airshow) except by dealing with ICAS. The $200 fee is grossly exorbitant for 
10 minutes work and the $50 to have them not sit on it for a month is 
On top of the fees paid to ICAS you must also pay an ACE (Aerobatic 
Competency Evaluator) for the evaluation. This is not my complaint, the ACE 
must spend his/her time (several hours), evaluate, sign their name and take 
responsibility. The standard charge for most ACE evaluations is $150. A full 
$100 less than ICAS demands you pay, if you want your paper work forwarded to

the Feds in less than a month, for 10 minutes of secretarial work.
I doubt this whole racket would pass the "legal" test but it's such a few 
folks (getting fewer all the time!) who it effects that they will probably 
keep getting by with it unless we really start a revolt. Funny, airshows are 
being killed by a few airshow folks.... I doubt the big name performers are 
really that threatened by folks with 500' cards flying little airshows for 
fun. If anything it is getting more folks interested in watching airshows. 
Sorry folks, I just had to vent.
Keep'em Flyin,

Dave Leedom
Pitts S-2A

*10 minutes, proven just last week in the time it took from the ACE paperwork

faxed to ICAS to the time faxed approval from ICAS arrived at the FSDO, with 
the extra $50 fee paid of course. 


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