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ACRO E-mail Archive Thread: [Acro] Re: Wing and Rudder


Thread: [Acro] Re: Wing and Rudder

Message: [Acro] Re: Wing and Rudder

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From: John Cornwell <jwcornwell at>

Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 16:46:12 UTC


  Debbie -- read the post thoroughly.  He said he was "signed off" to compete
WITH A SAFETY PILOT.  There is nothing wrong with competing with zero hours
with a safety pilot.  It will no doubt be a humbling experience, and that is
not a bad thing at all for a budding acro pilot.

As far as solo competition, some are competent to compete with less than 8
hrs. dual, some need more.  It took you 100 hrs. Pitts time.  Others are
competent in unlimited with that amount of time.  There is no minimum that is
applicable to everyone.  

Finally, if the instructor Bill referred to is Rich Stowell (I don't know Rich
Stovall), you might check his credentials before labeling him a bonehead.

"Debbie Anderson" <acrolady at> wrote:

You think it's "cool" to be a hard charger?  In this sport you get one chance.
Just because you got some bonehead instructor to tell YOU to go compete after
8 hours does not make it right. You should not go around telling other people
that it is. This guy Brad is clearly someone that is  just primed and ready to
go out and kill himself or someone else. It is our responsibility to attempt
to put him on the right path. He needs instruction and he needs a mechanic.

Debbie Anderson
IAC 24085

----- Original Message -----
From: William Halverson <william at>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:55:33 -0700
To: Debbie Anderson <acrolady at>, brad belke <bradbelke at>
Subject: Re: [Acro] Re: Wing and  Rudder

> Please people, check the email headers before you send personal messages 
> like this .. the whole group saw your exchange ...  Please don't hit 
> 'reply to all'.
> As for the sentiment of the exchange ... knowing neither of you, I hope 
> for good intentions ...
> My own experience is that is years ago, after a 8 hour 'beginning 
> aerobatic' course taught me by Rich Stovall, he told me I was ready for 
> Sportsman competition in a Super Decathlon ... with a safety pilot.
> But the mechanical issues Brad brought up  ... well ... I can understand 
> why Debbie got alarmed ... a broken cable will kill anybody fast.
> Brad may be a hard charger, cool ... but given the hypersensitive 
> society we live in right now, any of us that fly, and especially fly 
> aerobatic, should try to restrain ourselves in public.
> It could be that Debbie over-reacted to Brad's enthusiasm ... or that 
> Brad's enthusiasm ... triggered something personal in Debbies' flying 
> experience.
> No one knows, except now there is an archive of your exchange in the 
> news group .... which is public record.
> Best regards to you both - Fly safe!
> Hope to meet you both in person soon at an IAC event!
> Bill Halverson
> Debbie Anderson wrote:
> > Brad,
> > 
> > Don't be stupid or play me for a fool!  I do not appreciate that. If you
> actually intending to compete in the near future I just wanted to encourage

> you to seek qualified instruction so that you do not become another
> > 
> > Debbie
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brad belke" <bradbelke at>
> > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:38:34 -0500
> > To: "Debbie Anderson" <acrolady at>, "brad belke"
<bradbelke at>, acro at
> > Subject: Re: [Acro] Wing and  Rudder
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>Debbie:
> >>
> >>Sorry if I am "out of my mind".  I understand you must be a seasoned
> >>I jsut was excited to buy a plane and compete. If I don't belong in this
group of good pilots, I am sorry and I will not try. I thought the challenge
would be fun and since seeing it on ESPN many years ago, i have dreamed of
> >>Sorry, I didn't know Ihad to be better or more experienced to try to
> >>
> >>-Brad
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Debbie Anderson" <acrolady at>
> >>Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:14:45 -0500
> >>To: "brad belke" <bradbelke at>, acro at
> >>Subject: Re: [Acro] Wing and  Rudder
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Brad,
> >>>
> >>>I don't know who you are or where your from but you have got to be out of
your mind if you only have 4 hours Pitts time and think your going to be in a
contest anytime soon. I have been flying since 1984 and have over 100 hours
Pitts time. I have just joined a local IAC chapter and will compete in my
first contest this coming September. Furthermore if your rudder cables are
actually frayed that plane should be grounded until a competent "Pitts"
mechanic can do the necessary repairs.
> >>>Please seek out some competent instruction and advice from your local IAC
> >>>
> >>>Debbie Anderson
> >>>IAC 24085
> >>>Pitts S-2B
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "brad belke" <bradbelke at>
> >>>Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:43:21 -0500
> >>>To: acro at
> >>>Subject: [Acro] Wing and  Rudder
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I am hoping someone may have an S-2B lower right wing and rudder
> >>>>cables for sale.
> >>>>
> >>>>From what I hear, this is a commonly ground-looped plane and I have
> >>>>had an incident where the lower right wing has been damaged.  
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, how many hours can rudder cables take? I ran my hand down the
> >>>>cables yesterday and think that I am still bleeding from the barbs!!!
Seems like they need to be replaced. 
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, how can I join the Aerobatic club and EAA? I would like to try
> >>>>to compete after I get the wing fixed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I only have 4 hours in a Pitts.  Is there any minimum requirement to
> >>>>be allowed to compete ASIDE from joining the IAC and EAA.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks for any help......
> >>>>
> >>>>Brad

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