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Thread: [Acro] Re: FAA waivered box policies?

Message: [Acro] Re: FAA waivered box policies?

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From: Frank Gorham <frankgorham at comcast.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:34:20 UTC


Message:

  

> Jeffrey:
>             Thank you for the helpful reply.  That is exactly the kind of
> info that I am seeking.  Any comments from others on this service will
also be appreciated.
>
>                Cheers,   Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeffery at texas.net>
> To: Bradley Oliver <brad at bradoliver.com>; Frank Gorham
> <frankgorham at comcast.net>; IAC Acro List <acro at gf24.de>
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Acro] Re: [Mod] FAA waivered box policies?
>
>
> > The criteria we used to sort out who could fly in one of our practice
> boxes a
> > few years ago went something like this:  Any pilot who had flown in an
IAC
> > sanctioned contest or in front of an approved IAC judge and scored
better
> than
> > a x.o on at least xx% of the figures (fill in the blanks for your own
> comfort
> > zone) in a legal sequence (Free, Unknown or Free) within the last
calander
> year
> > was automatically eligible to use the box solo.  Official score sheets,
> Form
> > A's, etc. from a recent contest or listings in Sport Aerobatics, or a
Form
> A
> > signed by an IAC judge could all suffice as evidence.  An individual in
> the
> > local IAC Chapter was responsible for reviewing credentials and keeping
an
> > approved list up to date.  In addition, the BOD for the IAC Chapter
could
> grant
> > approvals for visiting pilots, etc., based on knowledge of the
individual.
> All
> > others had to fly with either an approved safety pilot, or as mentioned
in
> an
> > earlier posting, with an approved ground observer, in radio contact, to
> use the
> > waivered box.
> >
> > An updated, approved list was held by the FBO at the airport where the
box
> was
> > located, and since all pilots had to sign the waiver at the FBO before
> they
> > could fly each time (a serious pain in the ass), it was easy to police
who
> > could use the box at what level.  If you weren't on the list, you
couldn't
> > LEGALLY use the box as WAIVERED airspace.  Recall, however, that anyone
> can use
> > the airspace defined by an approved box, or anywhere else for that
matter,
> > whenever they want and without anyone else's permission or approval, as
> long as
> > they remain above 1500 AGL and adhere to all other limitations inherent
> for
> > that airspace.  Holding a waiver doesn't grant excluse ownership for
that
> chunk
> > of air.
> >
> > We never had a problem with pilot access for that box.  Nearby
landowners,
> on
> > the other hand, presented another problem, one that eventually proved
> fatal for
> > the practice area.
> >
> > Jeffery Poehlmann
> > Ch. 107 Austin
> >
> >
> > > Frank,
> > >
> > > IMHO, it is in your best interest to be very restrictive.  If your
name
> in
> > > on the waiver as the holder, guess who the FAA (or worse...an
attorney)
> will
> > > be calling when something goes wrong?  You!  Take it from me, my name
is
> on
> > > two of them.
> > >
> > > If someone is unhappy that you will not add them to your waiver, then
> > > politely direct them to your local FSDO and tell them they welcome to
> file
> > > their own waiver application. ;-)
> > >
> > > DJ said it best when he said it was a "privilege"...make sure EVERY
> pilot
> > > understands and agrees.  Most importantly, don't be afraid to revoke a
> > > pilot's permission to use the box when you feel he/she is behaving in
a
> > > manner that is unsafe or puts the waiver in jeopardy.  Being firm
about
> the
> > > rules early, will save you a lot of pain in the long run.
> > >
> > > Your original question asked, "If it (approvals/denials) can be done,
> > > legally, then what criteria would you suggest?"  My answer to that is
> > > simple.  When it is YOUR name on waiver as the holder, use any
criteria
> YOU
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Good Luck,
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > PS - Getting a box is difficult, keeping one is even more difficult.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Gorham [mailto:frankgorham at comcast.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:26 PM
> > > To: djmolny at yahoo.com; IAC Acro List
> > > Subject: [Acro] Re: [Mod] FAA waivered box policies? <posted
> > > forJSTreat360 at aol.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > DJ:
> > >       I am getting the message from both the public and private
replies
> that
> > > I really MUST act as the gatekeeper for the box.   I need some
realistic
> > > criteria to work with.  One suggestion was that I "know and trust" the
> > > pilot.  I know some pilots that I trust, but not to fly solo acro
safely
> in
> > > a box.  OK, how have you screened the pilots and on what basis have
you
> > > rejected some?
> > >
> > >        Cheers,  Frank
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: DJ Molny <djmolny at yahoo.com>
> > > To: Exploder IAC <acro at gf24.de>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:42 PM
> > > Subject: [Acro] Re: [Mod] FAA waivered box policies? <posted
> > > forJSTreat360 at aol.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: JSTreat360 at aol.com
> > > > Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 3:44am
> > > > Subject:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Frank,
> > > >
> > > > The Waiver Holder is responsible for the operation and use of the
box.
> Any
> > > person that wants to utilize the box for
> > > > aerobatic practice is required to sign the waiver and operate IAW
the
> FAA
> > > guidelines outlined on the waiver. It will be
> > > > up to the waiver holder to determine if that person is a safe user.
I
> have
> > > rejected many pilots before because that did
> > > > not demonstrate safe flying behavior. The FAA Aerobatic Box is
> privilege
> > > that will be taken away for poor operation.
> > > >
> > > > Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
> > > >
> > > > Visit my F-24 Web Site:
> > > > Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> > > >
> > > > Visit my Light Aircraft Site:
> > > > Aircraft Restoration & Repair
> > > >
> > > > Meet my Family:
> > > > Treat Family Home Page
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



                


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