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From: John Cornwell <jwcornwell at>

Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:30:58 UTC


  If your waiver doesn't already require it, in the beginning you should only
operate the box with a ground monitor who can communicate with the pilot by
radio, especially with pilots inexperienced at "box flying."

This can also be done in class D airspace, if your box is near an airport with
an operating control tower.  The tower will give the ground monitor "control"
of the waivered airspace, as long as they can quickly and easily communicate
with the ground monitor to cease operations should the need arise.  This will
allow for a separate box frequency that the pilot will monitor when operating
in the box.  Obviously, the ground monitor must have the capability to talk to
the pilot (by radio) and to the tower (can be by radio or phone).

This will add a measure of safety, since the ground monitor will be another
pair of eyes to spot box bogeys.  It also allows for the ground monitor to
turn around pilots who become disoriented and prevent them from straying out
of the box or over sensitive areas.

Some pilots may think they don't need a ground monitor (although critiquing is
always useful).  Just tell them that this is the way it is going to be, at
least until you have some experience with a hot box.  If all goes well, then
you can progress into solo box practice for those that qualify.

Frank Gorham <frankgorham at> wrote:
      I am getting the message from both the public and private replies that
I really MUST act as the gatekeeper for the box.   I need some realistic
criteria to work with.  One suggestion was that I "know and trust" the
pilot.  I know some pilots that I trust, but not to fly solo acro safely in
a box.  OK, how have you screened the pilots and on what basis have you
rejected some?

       Cheers,  Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Molny <djmolny at>
To: Exploder IAC <acro at>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [Acro] Re: [Mod] FAA waivered box policies? <posted
forJSTreat360 at>

> From: JSTreat360 at
> Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 3:44am
> Subject:
> Frank,
> The Waiver Holder is responsible for the operation and use of the box. Any
person that wants to utilize the box for
> aerobatic practice is required to sign the waiver and operate IAW the FAA
guidelines outlined on the waiver. It will be
> up to the waiver holder to determine if that person is a safe user. I have
rejected many pilots before because that did
> not demonstrate safe flying behavior. The FAA Aerobatic Box is privilege
that will be taken away for poor operation.
> Jamie S. Treat A&P/IA
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> Aircraft Restoration & Repair
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