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Thread: [Acro] Re: Aerobat acro (new subject name)

Message: [Acro] Re: Aerobat acro (new subject name)

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From: "Brent Rogers" <1brogers at rogers.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:28:35 UTC


Message:

I would "usually" have suggested a hammerhead but that manoeuvre seems ruled out in this case. 

Brent 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Stasny" <staz at bellsouth.net>
To: "David Pilkington" <David.Pilkington at bigpond.com>; <acro at gf24.de>
Sent: September 27, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: [Acro] Re: Aerobat acro (new subject name)


> What's a "Vertical Reversement"????
> 
>                                         Jim       IAC 1309
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Pilkington" <David.Pilkington at bigpond.com>
> To: <acro at gf24.de>
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 6:41 AM
> Subject: [Acro] Re: Aerobat acro (new subject name)
> 
> 
> > From William Kershner's book, The Basic Aerobatic Manual, page 58:
> > "The hammerhead stall or turn can be discussed in a general way, but the
> > hammerhead is not an approved maneuver for the Aerobat."
> >
> > If you'd like to wade through the regulatory material, here's a summary.
> >
> > From Type Certificate Data Sheet No. 3A19:
> > A placard is required to state that the following aerobatic maneuvers are
> > approved for the A150K, L & M and A152 (1978 model): chandelles, steep
> > turns, barrel rolls, snap rolls, loops, vertical reversements, lazy
> eights,
> > spin, aileron rolls, immelmanns, cuban eights, stalls (except whip
> stalls).
> > Inverted flight is prohibited.
> >
> > Now if I managed to get the Amendment status right, here's CAR 3 for the
> 150
> > & FAR 23 for the 152:
> >
> > CAR 3.108 - A
> > "It shall be demonstrated that acrobatic maneuvers can be performed
> readily
> > and safely. Safe entry speeds shall be determined  for these maneuvers."
> > CAR 3.769 c
> > Category A
> > "A placard shall be provided in clear view of the pilot which lists all
> > approved acrobatic maneuvers and the recommended entry speed for each. If
> > inverted flight maneuvers are not approved, the placard shall bear a
> > notation to that effect."
> >
> > FAR 23.3 Airplane categories.
> > "(c) The acrobatic category is limited to airplanes intended for use
> without
> > restrictions other than those shown to be necessary as a result of
> required
> > flight tests."
> >
> > FAR 23.151 Acrobatic maneuvers.
> > "Each acrobatic and utility category airplane must be able to perform
> safely
> > the acrobatic maneuvers for which certification is requested. Safe entry
> > speeds for these maneuvers must be determined."
> >
> > FAR 23.1567 Flight maneuver placard.
> > "(c) For acrobatic category airplanes, there must be a placard in clear
> view
> > of the pilot listing the approved acrobatic maneuvers and the recommended
> > entry airspeed for each. If inverted flight maneuvers are not approved,
> the
> > placard must bear a notation to this effect."
> >
> > FAR 23.1583
> > "3) Acrobatic category airplanes. For acrobatic category airplanes, the
> > approved flight maneuvers shown in the type flight tests must be included,
> > together with recommended entry speeds. A placard listing the use of the
> > controls required to recover from spinning maneuvers must be in the
> > cockpit."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jeffery at texas.net>
> >
> > > The placards in the two Aerobats I've flown and their respective POH did
> > not
> > > list a hammerhead as an approved maneuver.  ............
> >  I'll bet that the guru of Aerobat acro, Bill Kershner, would know.
> > > Jeffery Poehlmann
> >
> > > > Cessna aerobat not approved for hammerheads?  Where does it say that?
> > > >
> > > > jeffery at texas.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Attachement 1: part2.html


                


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