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Message: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters

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From: N6108P at

Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:50:12 UTC


And act we should, Max. But let's start with those who knowingly break the law, not the law abiding. Be it a UN resolution or an immigration law, the law breakers should be first on the list for loss of freedoms. Or loss of breath.

In a message dated Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:53:48 +1100, "Max Braude" <skybird at> writes:

>But if you don't act you stand to lose the greatest freedom of all - breath!
>Max Braude
>skybird at
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Bear [mailto:dmcff at]
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:09 AM
>  To: N6108P at; acro at
>  Subject: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters
>  A famous man ( guess) once said something like- " Those willing to give up
>a small amount of freedom in the interest of gaining a small amount of
>security will soon have none of either". So how much freedom do y'all wanna
>give up, and for what? I might be looking at this shallowly- but- I don't
>wanna give anything unless I get some kind of return..... not a loss.
>  D
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: N6108P at
>    To: acro at
>    Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:09 AM
>    Subject: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters
>    Please read the following quotes. Then Think about what was just said in
>the following text, "The need to protect the greater good is greater than
>the need to protect the individual and his or her freedoms. At least it seem
>to be heading that way. ". Be very careful what you wish for. A lot of
>people are listening.
>    "Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once
>and for all." (Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th Congress of the
>Communist Party)
>    "All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the
>elevation of the single person, and long ago we were over and done with the
>business of a hero, and here it comes up again: the glorification of one
>personality. This is not good at all." (Vladimir Lenin, as quoted in "Not by
>Politics Alone.)
>    We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
>best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)
>    "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
>Americans ..." (President Bill Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A)
>    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny
>individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." (Ayn
>    Rand)
>    When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance
>compared with one man? (Henry David Thoreau)
>    In a message dated 10/26/2002 4:15:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>"Virginia M. Jacobson" <virginia at> writes:
>    >How strange............
>    >
>    >The state of Michigan now requires any pilot applicant or any
>    >applicant for a new rating to be fingerprinted and registered with the
>    >state. Now with the photo ID requirement I wonder if the state will
>    >require a document like Dick had to have? With today's technology it
>    >will probably be the size of your drivers license but have far more
>    >than just your fingerprints encoded in it. I guess we need to face the
>    >fact that times are changing and our freedoms are being stressed. The
>    >need to protect the greater good is greater than the need to protect
>    >the individual and his or her freedoms. At least it seem to be heading
>    >that way.
>    >
>    >It appears the days of honesty, integrity and where ones word meant
>    >something are all but gone. No one can be trusted therefore everyone
>    >must be traceable. The irony as I see it is those who are truly evil
>    >will always find a way around the system. The more the system tries to
>    >protect its self the more it restricts those it tries to protect.
>    >There seems to be a Catch 22 no matter which way you go. The only
>    >true way to stop what is happening is to change the mind set that
>    >causes it in the first place. Until someone can find a way to truly do
>    >so the need for Big brother will only grow.
>    >
>    >If anyone out there can suggest a better idea I'm sure there are many
>    >that would be willing to listen. No one likes the idea of their
>    >personal freedoms and rights being taken away. I for one dislike the
>    >idea of not knowing that if I walk out my door if I will be coming
>    >home at night or if I will ever see the ones I love again because a
>    >snipers bullet or a suicide bomber may take them from me. The times we
>    >face are not pleasant but we could have to face every day like the
>    >Israeli's. There isn't a single Israeli that knows when they walk out
>    >their door if they will be coming home at night.
>    >
>    >Personally, Dick Rihn's comments leave me with some hope. Quote "The
>    >more things change the more they remain the same" Dick lived through a
>    >time in history where no one could be trusted. Time went on and that
>    >changed maybe it will again, but only if we work for it instead of
>    >complaining about it. It seems to me that to many of us keep
>    >forgetting that WE ARE AT WAR! The battle field and the tactics have
>    >changed but we are at war non the less.
>    >
>    >My sermon for the day.
>    >
>    >Virginia Jacobson
>    >


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