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Message: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters

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From: Allan Krosner <t28driver at>

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:24:17 UTC



Tell me how having a picture ID will protect anyone?

Allan Krosner

"Virginia M. Jacobson" wrote:

> I think John Cornwell is correct it was Benjamin Franklin I do
> believe. However, think about it from this point of view, some of the
> sacrifices we "may" be asked to make now is like an investment. When
> you make an investment you give up some money short term with the
> intention of earning a great deal more in the future. If you invest
> correctly you do. Just another point of view. Max Braude is also
> correct I started this thread speaking about America but this also
> applies to all of the free thinking, entrepreneurial world. The
> gentleman N6108P stated "And act we should. But let's start with those
> who knowingly break the law, not the law abiding." I also profoundly
> agree with this but I do have one question. What should we do in the
> mean time to protect ourselves and our freedom while we hunt down
> those who break the law? I believe that we should go on and live our
> lives exercising our rights but with greater caution. The sacrifices I
> speak of are the added cautionary steps we may be asked to
> take.  Virginia Jacobson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bear
> To: N6108P at ; acro at gf24.deSent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:08
> PMSubject: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters
>  A famous man ( guess) once said something like- " Those willing to
> give up a small amount of freedom in the interest of gaining a small
> amount of security will soon have none of either". So how much freedom
> do y'all wanna give up, and for what? I might be looking at this
> shallowly- but- I don't wanna give anything unless I get some kind of
> return..... not a loss. D
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: N6108P at
>      To: acro at
>      Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:09 AM
>      Subject: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters
>       Please read the following quotes. Then Think about what was
>      just said in the following text, "The need to protect the
>      greater good is greater than the need to protect the
>      individual and his or her freedoms. At least it seem to be
>      heading that way. ". Be very careful what you wish for. A
>      lot of people are listening.
>      "Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual
>      decisively, once and for all." (Nikita Khrushchev , February
>      25, 1956 20th Congress of the Communist Party)
>      "All our lives we fought against exalting the individual,
>      against the elevation of the single person, and long ago we
>      were over and done with the business of a hero, and here it
>      comes up again: the glorification of one personality. This
>      is not good at all." (Vladimir Lenin, as quoted in "Not by
>      Politics Alone.)
>      We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking
>      about what is best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)
>      "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights
>      of ordinary Americans ..." (President Bill Clinton, USA
>      Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A)
>      "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who
>      deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of
>      minorities." (Ayn
>      Rand)
>      When will the world learn that a million men are of no
>      importance compared with one man? (Henry David Thoreau)
>      In a message dated 10/26/2002 4:15:12 PM Eastern Standard
>      Time, "Virginia M. Jacobson" <virginia at>
>      writes:
>      >How strange............
>      >
>      >The state of Michigan now requires any pilot applicant or
>      any
>      >applicant for a new rating to be fingerprinted and
>      registered with the
>      >state. Now with the photo ID requirement I wonder if the
>      state will
>      >require a document like Dick had to have? With today's
>      technology it
>      >will probably be the size of your drivers license but have
>      far more
>      >than just your fingerprints encoded in it. I guess we need
>      to face the
>      >fact that times are changing and our freedoms are being
>      stressed. The
>      >need to protect the greater good is greater than the need
>      to protect
>      >the individual and his or her freedoms. At least it seem to
>      be heading
>      >that way.
>      >
>      >It appears the days of honesty, integrity and where ones
>      word meant
>      >something are all but gone. No one can be trusted therefore
>      everyone
>      >must be traceable. The irony as I see it is those who are
>      truly evil
>      >will always find a way around the system. The more the
>      system tries to
>      >protect its self the more it restricts those it tries to
>      protect.
>      >There seems to be a Catch 22 no matter which way you go.
>      The only
>      >true way to stop what is happening is to change the mind
>      set that
>      >causes it in the first place. Until someone can find a way
>      to truly do
>      >so the need for Big brother will only grow.
>      >
>      >If anyone out there can suggest a better idea I'm sure
>      there are many
>      >that would be willing to listen. No one likes the idea of
>      their
>      >personal freedoms and rights being taken away. I for one
>      dislike the
>      >idea of not knowing that if I walk out my door if I will be
>      coming
>      >home at night or if I will ever see the ones I love again
>      because a
>      >snipers bullet or a suicide bomber may take them from me.
>      The times we
>      >face are not pleasant but we could have to face every day
>      like the
>      >Israeli's. There isn't a single Israeli that knows when
>      they walk out
>      >their door if they will be coming home at night.
>      >
>      >Personally, Dick Rihn's comments leave me with some hope.
>      Quote "The
>      >more things change the more they remain the same" Dick
>      lived through a
>      >time in history where no one could be trusted. Time went on
>      and that
>      >changed maybe it will again, but only if we work for it
>      instead of
>      >complaining about it. It seems to me that to many of us
>      keep
>      >forgetting that WE ARE AT WAR! The battle field and the
>      tactics have
>      >changed but we are at war non the less.
>      >
>      >My sermon for the day.
>      >
>      >Virginia Jacobson
>      >
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