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Message: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters

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From: "Max Braude" <skybird at>

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:24:52 UTC


All very well indeed.

But perhaps:

"Thou shalt not kill"

The rights of any individual should cease when they impinge on the rights of
any other.  But since when is the human being so perfect and so capable of
providing unrestricted access of anything to anybody and hope for the best?

I remember an issue years ago when I did a 2 year stint in the USA relating
to the individual's right to chose whether to wear a crash helmet whilst
motorcycling was debated.
Yes it is your own head and life - but there are also other shareholders in
your life tho' - you are not one of the people crying at your funeral.
In the same vein, I once asked a salesman if he had a cheap helmet for me
and his response - "Wassa matter with you? - You gotta cheap head?"

These new issues from your governors (who are elected by you - one of the
lucky countries) are planned with the interests of all in mind and are so

Do you object to carrying ID?  Photo ID?

I grew up in a country where you had to show your driver's licence within 7
days of being requested to do so.
That is if you were white.  I suppose I am a European-African.
If you were black (sorry in this case African-African) you had to carry a
formal permit to be wherever you were and faced jail if you even left this
at home.


America - even with its recent problems has a lifestyle and prosperity

So what if you need a photo licence? - you have every other bloody freedom

Rant and ramble over!

Max Braude
skybird at

-----Original Message-----
From: John Cornwell [mailto:jwcornwell at]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:37 AM
To: Bear; N6108P at; acro at
Subject: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters

Benjamin Franklin, I believe.

"Bear" <dmcff at> wrote:
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A famous man ( guess) once said something like- " Those willing to give up a
small amount of freedom in the interest of gaining a small amount of
will soon have none of either". So how much freedom do y'all wanna give up,
and for what? I might be looking at this shallowly- but- I don't wanna give
anything unless I get some kind of return..... not a loss.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N6108P at
  To: acro at
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:09 AM
  Subject: [Acro] RE: Fw: Important News from IAC Headquarters

  Please read the following quotes. Then Think about what was just said in
following text, "The need to protect the greater good is greater than the
to protect the individual and his or her freedoms. At least it seem to be
heading that way. ". Be very careful what you wish for. A lot of people are

  "Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and
for all." (Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th Congress of the
Communist Party)

  "All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the
elevation of the single person, and long ago we were over and done with the
business of a hero, and here it comes up again: the glorification of one
personality. This is not good at all." (Vladimir Lenin, as quoted in "Not by
Politics Alone.)

  We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)

  "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
Americans ..." (President Bill Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A)

  "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny
rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." (Ayn

  When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared
with one man? (Henry David Thoreau)

  In a message dated 10/26/2002 4:15:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Virginia
Jacobson" <virginia at> writes:

  >How strange............
  >The state of Michigan now requires any pilot applicant or any
  >applicant for a new rating to be fingerprinted and registered with the
  >state. Now with the photo ID requirement I wonder if the state will
  >require a document like Dick had to have? With today's technology it
  >will probably be the size of your drivers license but have far more
  >than just your fingerprints encoded in it. I guess we need to face the
  >fact that times are changing and our freedoms are being stressed. The
  >need to protect the greater good is greater than the need to protect
  >the individual and his or her freedoms. At least it seem to be heading
  >that way.
  >It appears the days of honesty, integrity and where ones word meant
  >something are all but gone. No one can be trusted therefore everyone
  >must be traceable. The irony as I see it is those who are truly evil
  >will always find a way around the system. The more the system tries to
  >protect its self the more it restricts those it tries to protect.
  >There seems to be a Catch 22 no matter which way you go. The only
  >true way to stop what is happening is to change the mind set that
  >causes it in the first place. Until someone can find a way to truly do
  >so the need for Big brother will only grow.
  >If anyone out there can suggest a better idea I'm sure there are many
  >that would be willing to listen. No one likes the idea of their
  >personal freedoms and rights being taken away. I for one dislike the
  >idea of not knowing that if I walk out my door if I will be coming
  >home at night or if I will ever see the ones I love again because a
  >snipers bullet or a suicide bomber may take them from me. The times we
  >face are not pleasant but we could have to face every day like the
  >Israeli's. There isn't a single Israeli that knows when they walk out
  >their door if they will be coming home at night.
  >Personally, Dick Rihn's comments leave me with some hope. Quote "The
  >more things change the more they remain the same" Dick lived through a
  >time in history where no one could be trusted. Time went on and that
  >changed maybe it will again, but only if we work for it instead of
  >complaining about it. It seems to me that to many of us keep
  >forgetting that WE ARE AT WAR! The battle field and the tactics have
  >changed but we are at war non the less.
  >My sermon for the day.
  >Virginia Jacobson


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