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From: gei at head-cfa.harvard.edu (Guenther Eichhorn)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:44:14 UTC
Good news, rec.aviation.aerobatics passed with flying color. Such a solid vote is rare in the rec.aviation hierarchy. Thanks to everybody for voting. Guenther ------ Forwarded Article <831739378.5806 at uunet.uu.net> ------ From Jani Patokallio <jpatokal at alpha.hut.fi> RESULT unmoderated group rec.aviation.aerobatics passes 316:22 There were 316 YES votes and 22 NO votes, for a total of 338 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.aviation.aerobatics Aerobatics and unusual attitude flying. The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 May 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Guenther Eichhorn <gei at cfa.harvard.edu> Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal at alpha.hut.fi> RATIONALE: rec.aviation.aerobatics Throughout the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been numerous threads concerning aerobatics maneuvers, often with cross-postings to several rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience. Discussions about the pro's and con's of spin training for instance have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among participants in the rec.aviation groups. These discussions are important, both for regular flying (e.g. stall/spin training), as well as for sport aerobatics flying (e.g. how do I fly a hammerhead), but they often were not directly relevant to the group(s) in which they were posted. This new group will provide a forum to discuss flying unusual attitudes. It should be used both for discussions about issues that concern unusual attitudes during regular flying as well as for posts about intentional aerobatics. This would include for instance the quite frequent spin discussions. It should also be used to discuss issues concerning aerobatics competition or airshows. It will also provide a way of distributing information about aerobatics contests and airshows world-wide. This should include distribution of event schedules and contest results. Another topic that has been discussed in several newsgroups is the question of whether certain airplanes can safely perform different aerobatics maneuvers. This can be an important safety issue for renting and buying airplanes. Again these discussions have been distributed over several newsgroups. They are important enough to deserve a dedicated newsgroup. Hopefully one important aspect of this group in general will be the discussion of safety aspects of flying unusual attitudes. For instance there were several discussions about recovery techniques from unusual attitudes recently. Such discussions can be extremely important during emergencies. Hopefully this new newsgroup will provide a more focused forum for such safety related discussions. A FAQ for aerobatics is available at: <URL: http://acro.aerobaticsweb.org/faq_iac.html> and will be expanded if the new newsgroup is established. CHARTER: rec.aviation.aerobatics Rec.aviation.aerobatics is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated to discussions about flying in unusual attitudes. Posts to this newsgroup should be about any flying that is outside the range of the standards of the Private Pilots License. This includes competition aerobatics and air-show flying as well as handling unintentional unusual attitudes during emergencies. Particular emphasis should be placed on discussing the safety aspects of such maneuvers. Other topics are discussions about the capabilities of different airplanes for aerobatics maneuvers and their inherent limitations. It should include schedules of airshows and competitions, and their results. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: This RESULT will also sent to the following mailing list: International Aerobatics Club <iac-request at harten.cbu.edu> VOTETAKER'S NOTE: By accident, over a dozen 'vote received and counted' acknowledgements were sent to people whose votes arrived too late. Votes that arrived after the deadline were not counted in the final tally and are not listed here. rec.aviation.aerobatics Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 00nzwilliams at bsuvc.bsu.edu Nyal Z. 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Grounds, CPA vadla at aol.com Arun Vadlamani val at kodak.com Valentine Christian vbjelic at rave.opennet.org Vladislav Bjelic vivier at ensic.u-nancy.fr Herve VIVIER VJD4909 at Jetson.UH.EDU Vickie Davis waltp at voyager.net Walt Plentis weaver at voyager.net Allison Weaver wfrench at freenet.npiec.on.ca William French wjh at winternet.com Wendy Havir wmercier at shelby.net Wayne R. Mercier WoodtickIV at aol.com Josh Pruzek wrollins at NMSU.Edu William H. Rollins Wwplummer at aol.com William W. Plummer Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ archer at hsc.fr Vincent Archer booda at datasync.com Martin H. Booda csaamw at urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers hgoldste at bbs.mpcs.com Howard Goldstein jay at usa1.com Jay Hennessey kevin.hooker at argonet.co.uk K Hooker khan at cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan lancec at dream.wireless.ucsc.edu Lance K. Chun mb at agar.oche.de Marcus Breiing mckellar at zeta.org.au Peter McKellar ml3e+ at andrew.cmu.edu Michael Loomis olav at viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar patl at catfish.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti rick at bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller ryang at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan sledge at hammer.oche.de Thomas Bueschgens smarry at turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd stainles at bga.com Dwight Brown tlawson at email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson wakelyn at pinn.net Tom Wakelyn widenius at cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius wrg at infogo.com W.R. Giacona Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ mmt at RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ianj at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ! No vote statement in message justkk at aol.com JustKK ! No vote statement in message MLWilhelmi at aol.com ! No vote statement in message slivings at wb.xerox.com ! 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