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Message: RESULT: rec.aviation.aerobatics passes 316:22 [news.announce.newgroups #8373]
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From: gei at head-cfa.harvard.edu (Guenther Eichhorn)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:44:14 UTC
Good news, rec.aviation.aerobatics passed with flying color. Such a solid vote is rare in
the rec.aviation hierarchy. Thanks to everybody for voting.
Guenther
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RESULT
unmoderated group rec.aviation.aerobatics passes 316:22
There were 316 YES votes and 22 NO votes, for a total of 338 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
rec.aviation.aerobatics Aerobatics and unusual attitude flying.
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 May 1996.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Guenther Eichhorn <gei at cfa.harvard.edu>
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal at alpha.hut.fi>
RATIONALE: rec.aviation.aerobatics
Throughout the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been numerous threads
concerning aerobatics maneuvers, often with cross-postings to several
rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience.
Discussions about the pro's and con's of spin training for instance
have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among
participants in the rec.aviation groups. These discussions are
important, both for regular flying (e.g. stall/spin training), as well
as for sport aerobatics flying (e.g. how do I fly a hammerhead), but
they often were not directly relevant to the group(s) in which they
were posted.
This new group will provide a forum to discuss flying unusual
attitudes. It should be used both for discussions about issues that
concern unusual attitudes during regular flying as well as for posts
about intentional aerobatics. This would include for instance the
quite frequent spin discussions. It should also be used to discuss
issues concerning aerobatics competition or airshows. It will also
provide a way of distributing information about aerobatics contests
and airshows world-wide. This should include distribution of event
schedules and contest results.
Another topic that has been discussed in several newsgroups is the
question of whether certain airplanes can safely perform different
aerobatics maneuvers. This can be an important safety issue for
renting and buying airplanes. Again these discussions have been
distributed over several newsgroups. They are important enough to
deserve a dedicated newsgroup.
Hopefully one important aspect of this group in general will be the
discussion of safety aspects of flying unusual attitudes. For
instance there were several discussions about recovery techniques from
unusual attitudes recently. Such discussions can be extremely
important during emergencies. Hopefully this new newsgroup will
provide a more focused forum for such safety related discussions.
A FAQ for aerobatics is available at:
<URL: http://acro.aerobaticsweb.org/faq_iac.html>
and will be expanded if the new newsgroup is established.
CHARTER: rec.aviation.aerobatics
Rec.aviation.aerobatics is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated
to discussions about flying in unusual attitudes. Posts to this
newsgroup should be about any flying that is outside the range of the
standards of the Private Pilots License. This includes competition
aerobatics and air-show flying as well as handling unintentional
unusual attitudes during emergencies. Particular emphasis should be
placed on discussing the safety aspects of such maneuvers. Other
topics are discussions about the capabilities of different airplanes
for aerobatics maneuvers and their inherent limitations. It should
include schedules of airshows and competitions, and their results.
END CHARTER.
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VOTETAKER'S NOTE:
By accident, over a dozen 'vote received and counted' acknowledgements
were sent to people whose votes arrived too late. Votes that arrived
after the deadline were not counted in the final tally and are not listed
here.
rec.aviation.aerobatics Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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00nzwilliams at bsuvc.bsu.edu Nyal Z. Williams
101361.1434 at CompuServe.COM Stefan Kwiecien
103134.246 at CompuServe.COM Fred Abramson
103137.1556 at CompuServe.COM Stephen Billester
103360.2620 at CompuServe.COM Max Verastegui
1perdue at mail.gld.com Scott Perdue
70634.372 at CompuServe.COM Patrick Clyne
71052.3250 at CompuServe.COM Frank P. Matrone
74730.170 at CompuServe.COM Jerry Davey
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ab934 at ccn.cs.dal.ca David L. Potter
abnt at ionet.net dick smart
acrohead at ix.netcom.com Rick Manzie
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aerobat at friend.ly.net George Rousseau
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akosht at ix.netcom.com Aaron Kosht
Akromatt at aol.com Matt Wilderman
alan at mattress.atww.org Alan Reichert
AlanLevin at aol.com Alan Levin
alenz at communique.net Tommy Lenz
allnight at everett.net Johnny
amb at bronze.lcs.mit.edu andrew michael boardman
AMSnaproll at aol.com Ashley Messenger
ANDERDW at aol.com Dave Anderson
aneale at csfpny.fbc.com Andrew Neale
aragon at c2.org Cecilia Aragon
artful at ix.netcom.com Michael C. Jones
aschwassmann at art-line.de Alex Schwassmann
BABCCK at corp.timeplex.com Babcock_Bruce
bdolan at netzone.com Brian C. Dolan
bdq at sprynet.com Bryan Quickmire
bhoward at emtec.org Brian K. Howard
bi at inside.net Balthasar T. Indermuehle
billn at alphapower.com Bill Nihan
birchall at email.njin.net Shag
bk513 at freenet.carleton.ca Robert J. Paxton
bmorth at bmi.net Scott Hutson
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bparham at ISI.EDU Bruce Parham
Brandtetal at gnn.com Rae Brandt
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bshaw at hepar.unmc.edu Bud Shaw
BSNorris at aol.com Brian Norris
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CGBloom at aol.com Cheryl Bloom <CGBloom at aol.com>
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charles_mueller at macgate.csuchico.edu Charles Mueller
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CheckPilot at aol.com James M. Hann
chip at acm.org Chip Davis
christer.h.bergstrom at karlskoga.mail.telia.com Christer H Bergstrom
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deginton at pipeline.com W.A. Eginton
dela at seas.rochester.edu Del Armstrong
dereks at hpfcla.fc.hp.com Derek Sherlock
derossi at genmagic.com Chris Derossi
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dierks at austin.ibm.com Herman Dierks
dln at oak.zilker.net Dick Norton
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Frank.Hanish at flight.org Frank J. Hanish
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gbracey at bgu.edu Georgia Bracey
gei at head-cfa.harvard.edu Guenther Eichhorn
geoff at ppp-cat.engr.sgi.com Geoff Peck
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ggriesel at primenet.com Gene Griesel
glaum at qdeck.com
glepore at direct.ca Guido Lepore
gnelson at execpc.com Gary Nelson
gpenn at pavilion.co.uk Geoff Penn
GREG_DINNING at HP-Chelmsford-om1.om.hp.com Greg Dinning
Gypsy444 at aol.com Patty Wagstaff
hanky at sprynet.com Hank Eyring
hardin at utrc.utc.com Dr. Larry W. Hardin
hartmann at sound.net Mike Hartmann
hbok at ici.net Hans Bok
hedley at 3do.com Hedley Davis
Helmut.Stoecklin at munich.netsurf.de Helmut Stoecklin
henderso at cs.und.nodak.edu Brian H. Henderson
hendrix at sparc.ncpa.olemiss.edu Jim Hendrix
HGUW84A at prodigy.com Eugene Michael Finan
hqb at netcom.com Henry Bibb
huffaker at utw.com Brian Huffaker
IanGPM at aol.com Ian Martin
iloop at onramp.net Geryl Mortensen
inet at intellisys.net brian whatcott
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jbrowne at gv.net Juan Browne
jcarson at corp.tivoli.com Jim Carson
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jkerns1 at ford.com James Kerns
jmc at iol.it Jean-Marie Clement
jnorris at tznet.com Joe Norris
john.freas at svis.org John Freas
John.Prickett at amd.com John.Prickett at amd.com
john at siu.edu John R. Johnson
JOHNNYBLUM at aol.com
jonesdl at csoc.dnet.dupont.com DARWIN JONES
jono at acba.demon.co.uk Jonathan Baldock
jott at siue.edu Jonathan Ott
jpotter at mednet.med.miami.edu Jim Potter
JRSEA4 at aol.com Johnny Cargill
jsm11 at cornell.edu Jared Malarsky
JSMOLEN at bcm.tmc.edu Smolen, James E.
jtuszka at fsmail.uwsp.edu Jim Tuszka
jurlhurl at jaxnet.com Gerald Steverson Jr.
kanig at swcp.com Steven P. Kanig
karim at kasa.tng.oche.de Karim Samir
Kathron at aol.com Kathy Straub
kathy at cs.itc.hp.com Kathy Lankford
kchart at premier1.premier.net Kenneth Hart
kd0r at norfolk.infi.net David Heinsohn
KEITH_E_DOYNE at nslc.fmso.navy.mil KEITH E DOYNE
KEN_CALLANDER at HP5000.desk.hp.com Ken Callander
kevin at checksix Kevin Baranski-Walker
kim at shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn
KingD at direct.ca David W.S. King
kirichen at eng.umd.edu Vladislav Kirichenko
KKDiamond at aol.com
kleing at qualcomm.com Klein Gilhousen
klick at aps.anl.gov Jim Klick
kmohan at cisco.com Krish Mohan
koot at sara.nl J.J.A. Koot
kwa123 at mnsinc.com Kirk Wicker
landair at shore.intercom.net Gary Bullard
landrew at uscyber.com Louie Andrew
lee.mckerracher at mail.orix.com.au Lee McKerracher
Lew_E_Adams at ccm.ch.intel.com Lew E Adams
LHAMER at aol.com Linda Hamer
lmcgee at habeas.corp.sgi.com Lee McGee
lsalvadori at batman.laben.it Luca Salvadori
MAHarmon at aol.com Martha Harmon
marchal at cnj.digex.net Yannick Marchal
Marc_Majka at next.com Marc Majka
marksant at onit.net Mark S. Santangelo
martid01 at TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Dave Martin
Matt at MondoInfo.com Matthew Dixon Cowles
mauser at claris.com Richard Chandler
mbaker at gate.net Mickey Baker
mbarkah at hemi.com Ade Barkah
mdg at engr.uark.edu Mark Gould
mdriver at harten.cbu.edu Mark Driver
media at cnj.digex.net Paul Eidsvik
melichar at erauFlight.flight.pr.erau.edu Chas
mgx at ornl.gov Michael Galloway
mhowells at maths.adelaide.edu.au Martin Howells
mikeb at lsil.com Mike Brogley 408.433.7692
MikeBabin at aol.com Mike Babin
MOISEFF at UConnVM.UConn.Edu Andy Moiseff
mrtim at goodnet.com T.M.
mseine at micronet.net Mike Seine
mth112 at psu.edu Mark Hafer
murder at ix.netcom.com Lindsy Johnson
mvz at cats.ucsc.edu Michael Zenner
mwoodward at mail.daka.com Mike Woodward
N10TK at aol.com Tom Kerns
nickb at gammalink.com Nick Burkitt
nickle at cix.compulink.co.uk Nick Leaton
nicko at cs.arizona.edu Nick O.
norman.barker at flight642.com NORMAN BARKER
norris at central.sps.mot.com George B. Norris
nsalexan at amhux4.amherst.edu NATHAN STEED ALEXANDER
Ollivier.Robert at hsc.fr Ollivier Robert
osborn at evtech.com John H. Osborn x230
OWENS at FSHEW3.HEP.FSU.EDU Joseph F. Owens III
paosulli at ptes.com Peter A. O'Sullivan
pasma at kfih.azr.nl Kasper Pasma
paul_peterson at macmail.git.gulfaero.com Paul Peterson
paxil at interlog.com Trevor Tymchuk
PBOWMAN at mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com Penny Bowman
pctrader at sun.tir.com Don Crabill
pete at pdlmail.demon.co.uk Peter Disdale
peter at midnight.com Peter H. Schmidt
petera at bnr.ca Peter Ashwood-Smith
peterl at mrs.com Peter C. Lauterbach
peters at csli.Stanford.EDU Stanley Peters
peterson.194 at osu.edu Michael Peterson
peterson at realtools.com Steve Peterson
philgraf at dsp.com Phil Graf
philod at ibm.net Philip O'Donoghue
phredo at fortnet.org Blaine E. Thompson
pierce at pat.mdc.com Cole Pierce
pilots at planet.net David Sutton
pipercub at ihug.co.nz terry buckley
pittss1s at mnsinc.com cliff wicker
PJCav at aol.com Paul J. Cavrell
PLogue4671 at aol.com G. Paul Logue, IAC1247
PMCHAPMA at MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Peter McFaul Chapman
PMorgan001 at aol.com Peter J. Morgan
pputter at gomez.sc.intel.com Paul Putter ~
pryan at valhalla.mpce.mq.edu.au Philip Ryan
PTRUCKS at FTCMPD3RD.CO.SYMBIOS.COM Trucks, Pax
p_hamilton at usa.pipeline.com Paul Hamilton
r at mbsks.franken.de Roland Bruestle
rbarbour at ix.netcom.com Russ Barbour
rclark at aardvark.apana.org.au Rod Clark
rclynn at netcom.com Robert C. Lynn
rearly at vax1.rain.gen.mo.us Ross Early
Recursive at aol.com Larry Lowe
rex at eng.umd.edu Rex Root
rgreen at westpub.com Randy Green
richard.austin at dar.CSIRO.au Richard Austin
RIHNAIRCO at aol.com
RKlarich at aol.com Richard S. Klarich
rkrauter at west.net Robert Krauter
rma at winternet.com Rich Ahrens
rmenhorn at srvr.third-wave.com Ronald Menhorn
robert.mccallum at gbd.com Robert McCallum
RobertB at AZStarNet.Com Robert Bulechek
RobertM82 at aol.com Robert E. Minkus
RobertsG at ECCPO1.GB.unisys.com Gareth LL. Roberts
rodell at atl.com R.W. Odell
rs at ham.island.net Robert Smits
S2H at aol.com Steve Hill
sag at world.std.com Stephen Glow <sag at world.std.com>
SAlverson1 at aol.com Stephen L. Alverson
sam at shane.mv.com Shane A. McLaughlin
sascsg at unx.sas.com Cynthia Grant
scarroll2 at usa.pipeline.com Steve Carroll
schneide at badboy.iprolink.ch PAS
SCHRICKM at mercury.stm.com Mark Schrick, ST- San Jose, Calif. (408)451-8126
schwartz at spk.hp.com Dave Schwartz
scott at mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA Scott McMaster
SEE at WZL-MTQ1.WZL.RWTH-AACHEN.DE Guenther Seemann
sisson at sdd.hp.com Glenn Ellis Sisson
sissonp at cencom.net Phil Sisson IAC 8449
SkyboltJF at aol.com Bruce Green
spenny at vis.com Steve Pennypacker
srat at u.washington.edu Steve Ratcliffe
SSPRUELL at us.oracle.com Steven Spruell
stat at kgv1.bems.boeing.com Earl Foster
stetson at nscl.msu.edu Jeffry Stetson
StreeterG at logica.com Streeter Gary
swfraley at alpha.comsource.net Stuart Fraley
tawhite at rdyne.rockwell.com Thomas White
Tom_Myers at ENG.Trimble.COM Tom R. Myers
travism at utdallas.edu Travis McWaters
trog at pathcom.com piranha
trucks at fsl.noaa.gov trent trucks
ultimate at spindle.net Daryle L. Grounds, CPA
vadla at aol.com Arun Vadlamani
val at kodak.com Valentine Christian
vbjelic at rave.opennet.org Vladislav Bjelic
vivier at ensic.u-nancy.fr Herve VIVIER
VJD4909 at Jetson.UH.EDU Vickie Davis
waltp at voyager.net Walt Plentis
weaver at voyager.net Allison Weaver
wfrench at freenet.npiec.on.ca William French
wjh at winternet.com Wendy Havir
wmercier at shelby.net Wayne R. Mercier
WoodtickIV at aol.com Josh Pruzek
wrollins at NMSU.Edu William H. Rollins
Wwplummer at aol.com William W. Plummer
Voted No
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archer at hsc.fr Vincent Archer
booda at datasync.com Martin H. Booda
csaamw at urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers
hgoldste at bbs.mpcs.com Howard Goldstein
jay at usa1.com Jay Hennessey
kevin.hooker at argonet.co.uk K Hooker
khan at cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan
lancec at dream.wireless.ucsc.edu Lance K. Chun
mb at agar.oche.de Marcus Breiing
mckellar at zeta.org.au Peter McKellar
ml3e+ at andrew.cmu.edu Michael Loomis
olav at viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
patl at catfish.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
rick at bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
ryang at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan
sledge at hammer.oche.de Thomas Bueschgens
smarry at turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
stainles at bga.com Dwight Brown
tlawson at email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson
wakelyn at pinn.net Tom Wakelyn
widenius at cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius
wrg at infogo.com W.R. Giacona
Abstained
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mmt at RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
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ianj at tattoo.ed.ac.uk
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justkk at aol.com JustKK
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MLWilhelmi at aol.com
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slivings at wb.xerox.com
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