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Message: RESULT: rec.aviation.aerobatics passes 316:22 [news.announce.newgroups #8373]

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From: gei at head-cfa.harvard.edu (Guenther Eichhorn)

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:44:14 UTC


Message:

  
Good news, rec.aviation.aerobatics passed with flying color.  Such a solid vote is rare in
the rec.aviation hierarchy.  Thanks to everybody for voting.

Guenther

------ Forwarded Article <831739378.5806 at uunet.uu.net>
------ From Jani Patokallio <jpatokal at alpha.hut.fi>

                                RESULT
       unmoderated group rec.aviation.aerobatics passes 316:22

There were 316 YES votes and 22 NO votes, for a total of 338 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
rec.aviation.aerobatics	Aerobatics and unusual attitude flying.

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 May 1996.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Guenther Eichhorn <gei at cfa.harvard.edu>
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal at alpha.hut.fi>

RATIONALE: rec.aviation.aerobatics

Throughout the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been numerous threads
concerning aerobatics maneuvers, often with cross-postings to several
rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience.
Discussions about the pro's and con's of spin training for instance
have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among
participants in the rec.aviation groups.  These discussions are
important, both for regular flying (e.g. stall/spin training), as well
as for sport aerobatics flying (e.g. how do I fly a hammerhead), but
they often were not directly relevant to the group(s) in which they
were posted.

This new group will provide a forum to discuss flying unusual
attitudes.  It should be used both for discussions about issues that
concern unusual attitudes during regular flying as well as for posts
about intentional aerobatics.  This would include for instance the
quite frequent spin discussions.  It should also be used to discuss
issues concerning aerobatics competition or airshows.  It will also
provide a way of distributing information about aerobatics contests
and airshows world-wide.  This should include distribution of event
schedules and contest results.

Another topic that has been discussed in several newsgroups is the
question of whether certain airplanes can safely perform different
aerobatics maneuvers.  This can be an important safety issue for
renting and buying airplanes.  Again these discussions have been
distributed over several newsgroups.  They are important enough to
deserve a dedicated newsgroup.

Hopefully one important aspect of this group in general will be the
discussion of safety aspects of flying unusual attitudes.  For
instance there were several discussions about recovery techniques from
unusual attitudes recently.  Such discussions can be extremely
important during emergencies.  Hopefully this new newsgroup will
provide a more focused forum for such safety related discussions.

A FAQ for aerobatics is available at:
<URL: http://acro.aerobaticsweb.org/faq_iac.html>
and will be expanded if the new newsgroup is established.

CHARTER: rec.aviation.aerobatics

Rec.aviation.aerobatics is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated
to discussions about flying in unusual attitudes.  Posts to this
newsgroup should be about any flying that is outside the range of the
standards of the Private Pilots License.  This includes competition
aerobatics and air-show flying as well as handling unintentional
unusual attitudes during emergencies.  Particular emphasis should be
placed on discussing the safety aspects of such maneuvers.  Other
topics are discussions about the capabilities of different airplanes
for aerobatics maneuvers and their inherent limitations.  It should
include schedules of airshows and competitions, and their results.

END CHARTER.

DISTRIBUTION:

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   International Aerobatics Club <iac-request at harten.cbu.edu>

VOTETAKER'S NOTE:

By accident, over a dozen 'vote received and counted' acknowledgements
were sent to people whose votes arrived too late.  Votes that arrived
after the deadline were not counted in the final tally and are not listed
here.

rec.aviation.aerobatics Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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00nzwilliams at bsuvc.bsu.edu                                    Nyal Z. Williams
101361.1434 at CompuServe.COM                                     Stefan Kwiecien
103134.246 at CompuServe.COM                                        Fred Abramson
103137.1556 at CompuServe.COM                                   Stephen Billester
103360.2620 at CompuServe.COM                                      Max Verastegui
1perdue at mail.gld.com                                              Scott Perdue
70634.372 at CompuServe.COM                                         Patrick Clyne
71052.3250 at CompuServe.COM                                     Frank P. Matrone
74730.170 at CompuServe.COM                                           Jerry Davey
75502.1757 at CompuServe.COM                                            Greg Ryan
ab934 at ccn.cs.dal.ca                                           David L. Potter
abnt at ionet.net                                                      dick smart
acrohead at ix.netcom.com                                             Rick Manzie
acrohead at nwpros.com                                            Leslie Eversole
aerobat at friend.ly.net                                          George Rousseau
aeroland at micronet.fr                                          Dominique Roland
akosht at ix.netcom.com                                               Aaron Kosht
Akromatt at aol.com                                                Matt Wilderman
alan at mattress.atww.org                                           Alan Reichert
AlanLevin at aol.com                                                   Alan Levin
alenz at communique.net                                                Tommy Lenz
allnight at everett.net                                                    Johnny
amb at bronze.lcs.mit.edu                                 andrew michael boardman
AMSnaproll at aol.com                                            Ashley Messenger
ANDERDW at aol.com                                                  Dave Anderson
aneale at csfpny.fbc.com                                             Andrew Neale
aragon at c2.org                                                   Cecilia Aragon
artful at ix.netcom.com                                          Michael C. Jones
aschwassmann at art-line.de                                      Alex Schwassmann
BABCCK at corp.timeplex.com                                         Babcock_Bruce
bdolan at netzone.com                                              Brian C. Dolan
bdq at sprynet.com                                                Bryan Quickmire
bhoward at emtec.org                                              Brian K. Howard
bi at inside.net                                         Balthasar T. Indermuehle
billn at alphapower.com                                                Bill Nihan
birchall at email.njin.net                                                   Shag
bk513 at freenet.carleton.ca                                     Robert J. Paxton
bmorth at bmi.net                                                    Scott Hutson
bobleve at ns.iconn.net                                                   bobleve
bparham at ISI.EDU                                                   Bruce Parham
Brandtetal at gnn.com                                                  Rae Brandt
brants at nlr.nl                                                      J.J. Brants
brian.boyle at neptune.Central.Sun.COM                 B. J. Boyle  Sun Dallas SR
brichard at accesscomm.net                                           Beth Richard
bshaw at hepar.unmc.edu                                                  Bud Shaw
BSNorris at aol.com                                                  Brian Norris
bwalker at midtenn.net                                                Bill Walker
caufield at sequent.com                                            James Caufield
CGBloom at aol.com                                 Cheryl Bloom <CGBloom at aol.com>
chadair at mcn.net                                                     Chad Moore
charles_mueller at macgate.csuchico.edu                           Charles Mueller
charlie_ryan at qm.liris.loral.COM                                   Charlie Ryan
CheckPilot at aol.com                                               James M. Hann
chip at acm.org                                                        Chip Davis
christer.h.bergstrom at karlskoga.mail.telia.com             Christer H Bergstrom
clarkaw at syix.com                                                     Art Clark
clesinski at tne.com
clri at logica.se                                               Claes Rich=E1rd =
cls48 at columbia.edu                                   Christopher Lodge Stamper
clyde at hitech.com.au                                         Clyde Smith-Stubbs
cmk at pacificnet.net                                       Christopher M. Kelley
collier at AUSTIN.IBM.COM                                            John Collier
cpinson at KAIntl.com                                              Charles Pinson
cpo6n95 at bangor.ca.boeing.com                                  Chris P. Osborne
cporter at primenet.com                                            Charlie Porter
cranor at mosquitonet.com                                       Clayton L. Cranor
crn at netix.telecall.co.uk                                             C.Newport
cswol at abacus.bates.edu                                          Charlotte Swol
cwest at servtech.com                                             Craig Westbrook
dalelama at shadow.net                                                 Dale Evans
dana at nav.cc.tx.us                                                  Dana Brewer
DAOTERO at aol.com
daveball at super.zippo.com                                            David Ball
davec at apple.com                                                   Dave Carlton
davem at airstrip.demon.co.uk
davidwu at progarts.com                                   David Whitehorn-Umphres
davism at aa.wl.com                                                    Duff Davis
dbradfield at dhvx20.csudh.edu                                     Dave Bradfield
ddj00 at eng.amdahl.com                                             Deane D. Judd
DeafDude at aol.com                                                 Paul Bergeron
deene at ibmoto.com                                                   Deene Ogden
deginton at pipeline.com                                             W.A. Eginton
dela at seas.rochester.edu                                          Del Armstrong
dereks at hpfcla.fc.hp.com                                         Derek Sherlock
derossi at genmagic.com                                             Chris Derossi
dfay at loreto.seaspace.com
dierks at austin.ibm.com                                            Herman Dierks
dln at oak.zilker.net                                                 Dick Norton
donkiely at barrow.com                                                  Don Kiely
donsim at infoserve.net                                               Don Simmons
dougc at cerf.net                                               Douglas Cronkhite
DougR at netins.net                                                Doug Rozendaal
drbell at ais.net                                                   David R. Bell
drf at ios.softwright.co.uk                                           Dave Farley
drl at sware.com                                                      David Lyjak
DSowder at aol.com                                              Douglas A. Sowder
dsparks at pobox.com                                                  Dave Sparks
dstacey at kwanza.com                                             David C. Stacey
Dukeav8r at aol.com                                                  Tom Dukerich
dyugo at hooked.net                                                Dennis N. Yugo
Eaglell at aol.com                                                    Norm DeWitt
EGrossheim at aol.com                                                Ed Grossheim
ejnoomen at xs4all.nl                                             Eric-Jan Noomen
elmore at ev.nssl.uoknor.edu                                           Kim Elmore
emmons at fibi01.fnal.gov                                                   Monty
eric.t.olbricht at TEK.COM                                          Eric Olbricht
erikavg at ix.netcom.com                                            Erik Shilling
ermer at cldx.com                                                      Rick Ermer
evrwrite at powergrid.electriciti.com                                  Ed Redondo
Fly2Win at aol.com                                             Jeffrey D. Johnson
francois_moens at hrcc.on.ca                                       Francois Moens
Frank.Hanish at flight.org                                        Frank J. Hanish
frankv at pec.co.nz                                           Frank van der Hulst
freddy.stenbom at hobby.se                                         Freddy Stenbom
FTRC at massey.ac.nz                                                 Lisa Millard
FultonK at aol.com                                                    Kirk Fulton
gbracey at bgu.edu                                                 Georgia Bracey
gei at head-cfa.harvard.edu                                     Guenther Eichhorn
geoff at ppp-cat.engr.sgi.com                                          Geoff Peck
gero at gkminix.han.de                                              Gero Kuhlmann
ggriesel at primenet.com                                             Gene Griesel
glaum at qdeck.com
glepore at direct.ca                                                 Guido Lepore
gnelson at execpc.com                                                 Gary Nelson
gpenn at pavilion.co.uk                                                Geoff Penn
GREG_DINNING at HP-Chelmsford-om1.om.hp.com                          Greg Dinning
Gypsy444 at aol.com                                                Patty Wagstaff
hanky at sprynet.com                                                  Hank Eyring
hardin at utrc.utc.com                                        Dr. Larry W. Hardin
hartmann at sound.net                                               Mike Hartmann
hbok at ici.net                                                          Hans Bok
hedley at 3do.com                                                    Hedley Davis
Helmut.Stoecklin at munich.netsurf.de                            Helmut Stoecklin
henderso at cs.und.nodak.edu                                   Brian H. Henderson
hendrix at sparc.ncpa.olemiss.edu                                     Jim Hendrix
HGUW84A at prodigy.com                                       Eugene Michael Finan
hqb at netcom.com                                                      Henry Bibb
huffaker at utw.com                                                Brian Huffaker
IanGPM at aol.com                                                      Ian Martin
iloop at onramp.net                                               Geryl Mortensen
inet at intellisys.net                                             brian whatcott
Jayne_Schiek at ccmail.wiu.edu                                       Jayne Schiek
JBonaccijr at aol.com                                                 Joe Bonacci
jbrowne at gv.net                                                     Juan Browne
jcarson at corp.tivoli.com                                             Jim Carson
jd2avzeller at proaxis.com                                             Jim Zeller
Jeffrey_Oslick at brown.edu                                           Jeff Oslick
jefzick at interaccess.com                                        Jeffrey F. Zych
jf_avon at citenet.net                                         Jean-Francois Avon
jggoslin at Oakland.edu                                                  Monument
jhwelsch at prolog.net                                                Jack Welsch
jimw at orbital.mv.com                                                   Jim Ward
JJM0068 at gwgate.mcdata.com                                          John Miller
jkerns1 at ford.com                                                   James Kerns
jmc at iol.it                                                  Jean-Marie Clement
jnorris at tznet.com                                                   Joe Norris
john.freas at svis.org                                                 John Freas
John.Prickett at amd.com                                    John.Prickett at amd.com
john at siu.edu                                                   John R. Johnson
JOHNNYBLUM at aol.com
jonesdl at csoc.dnet.dupont.com                                      DARWIN JONES
jono at acba.demon.co.uk                                         Jonathan Baldock
jott at siue.edu                                                     Jonathan Ott
jpotter at mednet.med.miami.edu                                        Jim Potter
JRSEA4 at aol.com                                                  Johnny Cargill
jsm11 at cornell.edu                                               Jared Malarsky
JSMOLEN at bcm.tmc.edu                                          Smolen, James E.
jtuszka at fsmail.uwsp.edu                                             Jim Tuszka
jurlhurl at jaxnet.com                                       Gerald Steverson Jr.
kanig at swcp.com                                                 Steven P. Kanig
karim at kasa.tng.oche.de                                             Karim Samir
Kathron at aol.com                                                   Kathy Straub
kathy at cs.itc.hp.com                                             Kathy Lankford
kchart at premier1.premier.net                                       Kenneth Hart
kd0r at norfolk.infi.net                                           David Heinsohn
KEITH_E_DOYNE at nslc.fmso.navy.mil                                 KEITH E DOYNE
KEN_CALLANDER at HP5000.desk.hp.com                                 Ken Callander
kevin at checksix                                           Kevin Baranski-Walker
kim at shell.portal.com                                              Kim DeVaughn
KingD at direct.ca                                                David W.S. King
kirichen at eng.umd.edu                                      Vladislav Kirichenko
KKDiamond at aol.com
kleing at qualcomm.com                                            Klein Gilhousen
klick at aps.anl.gov                                                    Jim Klick
kmohan at cisco.com                                                   Krish Mohan
koot at sara.nl                                                       J.J.A. Koot
kwa123 at mnsinc.com                                                  Kirk Wicker
landair at shore.intercom.net                                        Gary Bullard
landrew at uscyber.com                                               Louie Andrew
lee.mckerracher at mail.orix.com.au                               Lee McKerracher
Lew_E_Adams at ccm.ch.intel.com                                       Lew E Adams
LHAMER at aol.com                                                     Linda Hamer
lmcgee at habeas.corp.sgi.com                                           Lee McGee
lsalvadori at batman.laben.it                                      Luca Salvadori
MAHarmon at aol.com                                                 Martha Harmon
marchal at cnj.digex.net                                          Yannick Marchal
Marc_Majka at next.com                                                 Marc Majka
marksant at onit.net                                           Mark S. Santangelo
martid01 at TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU                                   Dave Martin
Matt at MondoInfo.com                                        Matthew Dixon Cowles
mauser at claris.com                                             Richard Chandler
mbaker at gate.net                                                   Mickey Baker
mbarkah at hemi.com                                                    Ade Barkah
mdg at engr.uark.edu                                                   Mark Gould
mdriver at harten.cbu.edu                                             Mark Driver
media at cnj.digex.net                                               Paul Eidsvik
melichar at erauFlight.flight.pr.erau.edu                                    Chas
mgx at ornl.gov                                                  Michael Galloway
mhowells at maths.adelaide.edu.au                                  Martin Howells
mikeb at lsil.com                                       Mike Brogley 408.433.7692
MikeBabin at aol.com                                                   Mike Babin
MOISEFF at UConnVM.UConn.Edu                                         Andy Moiseff
mrtim at goodnet.com                                                         T.M.
mseine at micronet.net                                                 Mike Seine
mth112 at psu.edu                                                      Mark Hafer
murder at ix.netcom.com                                            Lindsy Johnson
mvz at cats.ucsc.edu                                               Michael Zenner
mwoodward at mail.daka.com                                          Mike Woodward
N10TK at aol.com                                                        Tom Kerns
nickb at gammalink.com                                               Nick Burkitt
nickle at cix.compulink.co.uk                                         Nick Leaton
nicko at cs.arizona.edu                                                   Nick O.
norman.barker at flight642.com                                      NORMAN BARKER
norris at central.sps.mot.com                                    George B. Norris
nsalexan at amhux4.amherst.edu                             NATHAN STEED ALEXANDER
Ollivier.Robert at hsc.fr                                         Ollivier Robert
osborn at evtech.com                                          John H. Osborn x230
OWENS at FSHEW3.HEP.FSU.EDU                                   Joseph F. Owens III
paosulli at ptes.com                                          Peter A. O'Sullivan
pasma at kfih.azr.nl                                                Kasper Pasma
paul_peterson at macmail.git.gulfaero.com                           Paul Peterson
paxil at interlog.com                                              Trevor Tymchuk
PBOWMAN at mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com                               Penny Bowman
pctrader at sun.tir.com                                               Don Crabill
pete at pdlmail.demon.co.uk                                         Peter Disdale
peter at midnight.com                                            Peter H. Schmidt
petera at bnr.ca                                              Peter Ashwood-Smith
peterl at mrs.com                                             Peter C. Lauterbach
peters at csli.Stanford.EDU                                        Stanley Peters
peterson.194 at osu.edu                                          Michael Peterson
peterson at realtools.com                                          Steve Peterson
philgraf at dsp.com                                                     Phil Graf
philod at ibm.net                                               Philip O'Donoghue
phredo at fortnet.org                                          Blaine E. Thompson
pierce at pat.mdc.com                                                 Cole Pierce
pilots at planet.net                                                 David Sutton
pipercub at ihug.co.nz                                              terry buckley
pittss1s at mnsinc.com                                               cliff wicker
PJCav at aol.com                                                  Paul J. Cavrell
PLogue4671 at aol.com                                      G. Paul Logue, IAC1247
PMCHAPMA at MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca                      Peter McFaul Chapman
PMorgan001 at aol.com                                             Peter J. Morgan
pputter at gomez.sc.intel.com                                       Paul Putter ~
pryan at valhalla.mpce.mq.edu.au                                      Philip Ryan
PTRUCKS at FTCMPD3RD.CO.SYMBIOS.COM                                   Trucks, Pax
p_hamilton at usa.pipeline.com                                      Paul Hamilton
r at mbsks.franken.de                                             Roland Bruestle
rbarbour at ix.netcom.com                                            Russ Barbour
rclark at aardvark.apana.org.au                                         Rod Clark
rclynn at netcom.com                                               Robert C. Lynn
rearly at vax1.rain.gen.mo.us                                          Ross Early
Recursive at aol.com                                                   Larry Lowe
rex at eng.umd.edu                                                       Rex Root
rgreen at westpub.com                                                 Randy Green
richard.austin at dar.CSIRO.au                                     Richard Austin
RIHNAIRCO at aol.com
RKlarich at aol.com                                            Richard S. Klarich
rkrauter at west.net                                               Robert Krauter
rma at winternet.com                                                  Rich Ahrens
rmenhorn at srvr.third-wave.com                                    Ronald Menhorn
robert.mccallum at gbd.com                                        Robert McCallum
RobertB at AZStarNet.Com                                          Robert Bulechek
RobertM82 at aol.com                                             Robert E. Minkus
RobertsG at ECCPO1.GB.unisys.com                               Gareth LL. Roberts
rodell at atl.com                                                      R.W. Odell
rs at ham.island.net                                                 Robert Smits
S2H at aol.com                                                         Steve Hill
sag at world.std.com                             Stephen Glow <sag at world.std.com>
SAlverson1 at aol.com                                         Stephen L. Alverson
sam at shane.mv.com                                           Shane A. McLaughlin
sascsg at unx.sas.com                                               Cynthia Grant
scarroll2 at usa.pipeline.com                                      Steve Carroll
schneide at badboy.iprolink.ch                                                PAS
SCHRICKM at mercury.stm.com      Mark Schrick, ST- San Jose, Calif. (408)451-8126
schwartz at spk.hp.com                                              Dave Schwartz
scott at mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA                                    Scott McMaster
SEE at WZL-MTQ1.WZL.RWTH-AACHEN.DE                               Guenther Seemann
sisson at sdd.hp.com                                           Glenn Ellis Sisson
sissonp at cencom.net                                        Phil Sisson IAC 8449
SkyboltJF at aol.com                                                  Bruce Green
spenny at vis.com                                               Steve Pennypacker
srat at u.washington.edu                                          Steve Ratcliffe
SSPRUELL at us.oracle.com                                         Steven Spruell
stat at kgv1.bems.boeing.com                                          Earl Foster
stetson at nscl.msu.edu                                            Jeffry Stetson
StreeterG at logica.com                                             Streeter Gary
swfraley at alpha.comsource.net                                     Stuart Fraley
tawhite at rdyne.rockwell.com                                        Thomas White
Tom_Myers at ENG.Trimble.COM                                         Tom R. Myers
travism at utdallas.edu                                           Travis McWaters
trog at pathcom.com                                                       piranha
trucks at fsl.noaa.gov                                               trent trucks
ultimate at spindle.net                                    Daryle L. Grounds, CPA
vadla at aol.com                                                   Arun Vadlamani
val at kodak.com                                              Valentine Christian
vbjelic at rave.opennet.org                                      Vladislav Bjelic
vivier at ensic.u-nancy.fr                                           Herve VIVIER
VJD4909 at Jetson.UH.EDU                                             Vickie Davis
waltp at voyager.net                                                 Walt Plentis
weaver at voyager.net                                              Allison Weaver
wfrench at freenet.npiec.on.ca                                     William French
wjh at winternet.com                                                  Wendy Havir
wmercier at shelby.net                                           Wayne R. Mercier
WoodtickIV at aol.com                                                 Josh Pruzek
wrollins at NMSU.Edu                                           William H. Rollins
Wwplummer at aol.com                                           William W. Plummer

Voted No
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archer at hsc.fr                                                   Vincent Archer
booda at datasync.com                                             Martin H. Booda
csaamw at urc.tue.nl                                               Michiel Wijers
hgoldste at bbs.mpcs.com                                         Howard Goldstein
jay at usa1.com                                                     Jay Hennessey
kevin.hooker at argonet.co.uk                                            K Hooker
khan at cs.nyu.edu                                                   Hasnain Khan
lancec at dream.wireless.ucsc.edu                                   Lance K. Chun
mb at agar.oche.de                                                 Marcus Breiing
mckellar at zeta.org.au                                            Peter McKellar
ml3e+ at andrew.cmu.edu                                            Michael Loomis
olav at viking.mv.com                                             Olav Nieuwejaar
patl at catfish.lcs.mit.edu                                   Patrick J. LoPresti
rick at bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
ryang at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu                                     Glen Patrick Ryan
sledge at hammer.oche.de                                        Thomas Bueschgens
smarry at turing.toronto.edu                                         Smarasderagd
stainles at bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
tlawson at email.univpubs.american.edu                             Todd C. Lawson
wakelyn at pinn.net                                                   Tom Wakelyn
widenius at cc.helsinki.fi                                         Risto Widenius
wrg at infogo.com                                                    W.R. Giacona

Abstained
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mmt at RedBrick.COM                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS


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ianj at tattoo.ed.ac.uk
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justkk at aol.com                                                          JustKK
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MLWilhelmi at aol.com
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slivings at wb.xerox.com
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