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ACRO E-mail Archive Thread: Elimination of Aerobatic Box


Thread: Elimination of Aerobatic Box

Message: RE: Elimination of Aerobatic Box

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From: "JTBerlin " <JTBerlin at>

Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 02:53:51 UTC


  Another vote for keeping the box. 

I have only competed four times, always in basic in a Decathlon 150. Although 
there isn't technically a box in Basic, I always tried to properly place my 
maneuvers within the box. It made flying the short sequence more fun- striving 
for proper placement. I plan to move up to Sportsman, so why not begin 
learning how to place maneuvers in their proper places within the box sooner 
rather than later.  Anyway, in addition to my "extensive" competition 
experience, I have been volunteer coordinator twice. I wish to comment that 
removing the box because of some complaints of having to trudge through weeds 
and place markers is rediculous. Being the volunteer coordinator is no picnic, 
but we're not planning on eliminating volunteers because of someone's having 
to trudge around and twist a few less than enthusiastic arms to sit out by the 
corner markers for a twenty-five pilot long Sportsman flight. Or is that next? 
It takes WORK to put on a contest. If that's what you or your chapter want to 
do, do it please. But do it knowing the work involved.

Jeff Berlin
IAC 20024
-----Original Message-----
From:	iac-request at  On Behalf Of ultimate at
Sent:	Friday, April 11, 1997 12:26 PM
To:	iac at
Subject:	Re:  Elimination of Aerobatic Box

I agree with Allyson.  Keep the box.  

Eliminating the box because of the labor involved in laying it out is
not sufficient reason for getting rid of it.  I don't personally know
either Mr. Klick or Mr. Myers but I know these guys can produce some
well thought-out, meaningful posts that are useful to the aerobatic
community because I've seen them do it before with respect to other

So let's frame the question this way:  If we could magically have box
boundary markers laid out with no labor, would we keep or eliminate the
box SOLELY because we collectively decide it is or it is not necessary
for flying aerobatic competition AS WE WANT TO DO IT IN THIS COUNTRY? 

For one thing, focus on how we're trying to promote aerobatics from the
bottom up - bring new pilots into the fold, so to speak.  Our rule book
and the judging criteria specified therein INCLUDING the box dimensions
provides a training framework within which a new aerobatic pilot can
operate and in which experienced pilots can assist.  This is important
because it supplies a "program" that both neophytes and oldtimers can
follow.  There is no other viable informal or formal training structure
to be found anywhere else in this country for learning safe aerobatics. 
Coaching and reminding a sportsman competitor during practice sessions
about the box limits trains him/her to keep the flight in front of the
judges, prevents wasting energy here and there, forces planning and
thinking about the sequence, the flight, the wind, the maneuvers, how it
presents to the judges, etc., while being safe.  This is part of what
makes competiton aerobatics a precision skill vs. stunt flying.  We want
this, don't we?   

This is supported by Patty Wagstaff's response about the boundaries,
and, although addressed to all levels of competition, indirectly
supports grassroots (that nagging word again!) acro and lower category
competition (or maybe it was actually her point -- ?).  

Of course, by default, when a competitor gets to Advanced he/she can be
the kind of pilot that most of the panel in April's S/A says makes it
unncessary to have boundaries. 

Daryle L. Grounds, CPA, so I don't have time right now to say more since
it's close to April 15th.

Dallas, TX
Chapter 24


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