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ACRO E-mail Archive Thread: The Box (Again!)<G>


Thread: The Box (Again!)&lt;G&gt;

Message: The Box (Again!)<G>

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From: "Damon Wack" <lomcevak at>

Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:11:59 UTC


  I hate to say this, but the Europeans may have another convert in me!<G> 
Alan Cassidy and I got into a good discussion over boundry judges during a
dinner at Sebring.  

I used to be very much in favor of keeping the box, but after listening to
Alan I have to admit there are some very good arguements in getting rid of
boundries.  It's not just nonsense, as I thought it was at first, too,
Dave! <G> 

I believe Don Peterson summed it up best, it is a question of science
versus art, objectivety vs. subjectivity.  The Europeans put an extremely
high "k" value on postioning, i.e  40k for unlimited, 30k for Advanced,
etc.  This is akin to adding another figure that may be close to the
highest "k" manuever in the sequence!  So an 8 score in positoning would be
the same as having almost three outs in unlimited, and right at three in
Advanced, pointwise!  Whew!  But it IS a subjective score.  

All of us that have been in the sport for a while have watched valuable
time (and great flying weather!) go by while the judges get in place, and
the boundries are very often the last in.  I personally LIKE to be a
boundry judge (yeah, I am a bit weird), but you DO get a great view of the
flying, and the various cheats the competitors use.  And it is the easiest
thing to judge, the guy is either in or out.  
I fly a four cylinder monoplane, and have had very little problem with outs
over the years myself.  A high postioning "k" value may not be good for me
at first, but I bet I could learn to fly that just as well as I learned how
to stay in the box.  I would at least like to try the system at a few
contests to see if they flow any more smoothly.  It would probably take a
while for U.S. judges (including me) to get the knack of giving a
postioning grade without using tics, however.

The Europeans have been doing this for a while, so I do not think it is
fair for us to dismiss it out of hand without at least trying it for a bit.
 I don't believe boundry judges were an original part of the sport when it
first started,  and I know  the "tic" system is relatively new.  However I
think we Americans are biased toward the objective rather than the
subjective, which is why we changed the system.

I personally lean to the "art" side of the arguement, I want to please
people with my flying, not computers.  The feeling of accomplishment from
completing a difficult sequence and hearing the words "Nice flight, Damon!"
from a fellow pilot are what make this sport worthwhile.

Damon Wack
Birchwood, WI


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