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Thread: [Acro] Re: Nationals location

Message: [Acro] Re: Nationals location

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From: "Hilton Tallman" <airadltd at saratogabreadbasket.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:52:14 UTC


Message:

 Oh Don I had thought someone had handcuffed you or stole your computer.
HT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <autotech at flash.net>
To: <acro at gf24.de>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: [Acro] Re: Nationals location


> Sigh...
>
> I don't really have a dog in this fight, but to share the experiences of
> the not-so-distant past...
>
> I was involved in the effort to convert the "IAC Championships" into a
> moving national-category contest that would bring a first rank contest
near
> to all of our membership.  The flack we received was extreme, personal,
and
> sometimes abusive.  Most of it seemed to stem from a sense of tradition
and
> "ownership" from having a national contest in Fon du Lac.  In the end, and
> perhaps for other reasons that probably wouldn't bear up under scrutiny,
> the IAC Championships were just canceled entirely.  Now we are poorer by
> one contest.  It seems in retrospect to be "if we can't play in my yard,
> I'm taking my ball and nobody gets to play".
>
> The debate was extreme, but made little to no sense.  Most of the debate
> against moving it around was that Fon du Lac was equally accessible to all
> members.  This position was most often expressed by those living in
> Illinois, Wisconsin, and surrounding areas.
>
> In truth, there is simply no single place in the US that provides equal
> access to all members.  The thinking at the time was that if the IAC
> Championships were to be moved around the country, then at least once
every
> 2 or 3 years, a national contest would be near enough that someone
wouldn't
> have to take an extra week of vacation just to attend.  Plus, the hosting
> chapter could use the event to boost membership, make some money, and get
> some positive local publicity.
>
> Now we have one less national-rank contest.  Who is the winner?
>
> The US Nationals have been moved from Grayson before, and although it was
> before my time I have heard that it was not a successful exercise and was
> moved back.  Over the years Chapter 24 in Dallas has provided a fair
amount
> of behind the scenes help to make the nationals come together.  Of course,
> many other people have contributed as well, but it should be stressed that
> organizing a national championship benefits from "corporate memory", and
> moving such a thing to another area can result in lost knowledge and
> skills, resulting in rough running.
>
> Personally, I would be happy to fly somewhere else for the nationals, even
> though I live about 100 miles south of Grayson.  Actually, I don't even
> like flying the nationals at all, as it is a great deal of sitting around
> for very little flying.  I personally like the UK idea of splitting the
> Unlimited/Advanced and Intermediate/Sportsman championships into two
> events, but I digress...
>
> Having it every year at the same site goes a long way to keeping the local
> community happy, involved, and committed.  Moving away for several years
> could result in not being welcome if/when the IAC wanted to return.  A
> continuing tradition is easier to get support for than reestablishing a
> relationship that has a sense of betrayal in the recent past.
>
> Bottom line - it is probably too hard and likely to create too much
> internal conflict to successfully move the nationals.  Anyone leading the
> effort to move it had better put on their armor, and then be prepared to
> accept the blame if the new site and new volunteers (and new weather)
don't
> do a job that measures up to the best efforts at Grayson.
>
> If someone thinks we need a national-level contest that is nearer to
(enter
> your favorite coast here), then why not expend the same efforts
> re-organizing the IAC Championships?  It would require no more work,
> probably generate less internal conflict, and would result in one more
> contest rather than a disrupted national championships.  Plus, if you
> really think the nationals should be somewhere else, this would let you
try
> out new locations without breaking the valuable ties at the current
> location until your new deal proves to be a good choice.  Who says you'd
> pick the right new location the first year out of the box?
>
> Think in terms of adding something new instead of just rearranging the
> chairs on the Titanic.
>
> Don P.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  jeffery at texas.net
> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:12:42 CDT
> To: aboyd at qnx.com, g.bird at opengroup.org, acro at gf24.de
> Subject: [Acro] Re: Nationals location
>
>
> Do the demographics.  Fond du Lac is not central.  Nebraska... now we're
> talking!
>
> Jeffery Poehlmann
>
> >
> > On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Graham Bird wrote:
> >
> > > The Board decides on dates and location.
> >
> > Let's see ... someplace central, but as far north as
> > possible to avoid being cooked in the summer but not
> > eaten by polar bears ... hey, how about Fond du Lac
> > airport, maybe after oshkosh?
> >
> > Nah, it's been done before  :-)
> >
> > --
> > aboyd
> >
> >
> > > At 04:52 PM 7/7/2004, Frank Gorham wrote:
> > > >B.J.,
> > > >            It also helps if the box is wonderfully oriented with the
> runways
> > > >and taxiways ala GYI and traffic is sparse that we basically own the
> airport
> > > >for the week!!!
> > > >
> > > >          Cheers,  Frank
> > > >                (Out North and South!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "B. J. Boyle" <bj.boyle at verizon.net>
> > > >To: "'Chixfly2'" <chixfly2 at comcast.net>; <SpeedDr at aol.com>;
> <acro at gf24.de>;
> > > ><jeffery at texas.net>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:27 PM
> > > >Subject: [Acro] Re: Nationals location
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > All you need is ramp and hangar space for up to 120 aircraft and a
> > > >location
> > > > > that is central to the East and West coast.
> > > > >
> > > > > B. J. Boyle
> > > > > 2656 Newcastle Drive
> > > > > Carrollton, TX 75007
> > > > > 972-306-5851 (H)
> > > > > 214-697-5052 (M)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Chixfly2 [mailto:chixfly2 at comcast.net]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:05 PM
> > > > > To: SpeedDr at aol.com; acro at gf24.de; jeffery at texas.net
> > > > > Subject: [Acro] Re: Nationals location
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, we'll have it here one year, TX the next and you find a
place
> on
> the
> > > > > East Coast for the third.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <jeffery at texas.net>
> > > > > To: "Chixfly2" <chixfly2 at comcast.net>; <SpeedDr at aol.com>;
> <acro at gf24.de>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Acro] Re: Nationals location
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > A bit of a commute for the south Floridians, and Nor'easterners,
> no?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about to California where it never rains!?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >   From: SpeedDr at aol.com
> > > > > > >   To: acro at gf24.de
> > > > > > >   Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:29 PM
> > > > > > >   Subject: [Acro] Nationals location
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Can we hope that the Nationals will someday be moved north
> ,away
> > > >from
> > > > > > > God forsaken Texas, to a place where engine temps never see
red
> and
> > > > > > > where the word G-lock might refer to a type of bathing suit,
not
> > > > > > > dehydration driven hypotensive episodes?  Where practice in
the
> box
> is
> > > > > > > welcomed. How is the location of future Nationals sites
> determined?
> Is
> > > > > > > there any mechanism by which large groups of disgruntled
active
> > > >members
> > > > > > > can affect a change?  I do not remember this decision process
> exposed
> > > >to
> > > > > > > us for a vote.     Someone enlighten me.
> > > > > > >                         Rick Volker
> > > > > >                         Rick Volker
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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